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#1 2008-07-12 17:15:21

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Misago
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Aah! What happened to subeta?

I got an email recently which said to log out of subeta because two ex-staff members have taken over the site. This was apparently from Keith.

Does anyone know what's going on behind this situation? And what exactly happened?

** I haven't been on lately because of the summer course. :p


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#2 2008-07-12 17:37:37

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Re: Aah! What happened to subeta?

yeah you gotta go to subeta.ws instead.

this is what happens when you hire someone you've only met online and never seen before. haha.

this is the kind of thing we've come to expect from subeta.

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#3 2008-07-12 18:42:26

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Re: Aah! What happened to subeta?

I am not a member of Subeta, nor do I know anything first-hand about what is going on here, but this is just what I know according to posts made on VPL.

Keith released a statement on Youtube for Subeta members. You can find it at this site:
http://subetahq.com/

This was also posted on the VPL forums, I believe it may have been posted on the news of Subeta.ws, but I'm not certain to that.

You've heard the rumor that Mr. Kurson is no longer in charge of Subeta.org. That rumor is currently true. Other rumors have been flying around -- some started by Mr. Kurson, some started by others in his circle. Some have a ring of truth to them, some do not. This post will hopefully clear some things up and give you a more "whole" picture that you may judge for yourself what has happened.

The two ex-staff members in question are indeed, currently keeping the website, subeta.org on and functioning. This is not to steal anything, as the rumor goes 'round. As a matter of plain fact, the Cash Shop paypal address still goes directly to Mr. Kurson's PayPal account. Mr. Kurson made posts, sent emails, created news, etc. to move to subeta.org before said staff members were notified of their termination. it would more appear that Mr. Kurson abandoned subeta.org and did it in such a way as to create as much backlash and drama for the ex-staff members as possible while creating a pocket of sympathy and protectors and defenders for himself.

The site stolen? Hardly. Abandoned? Yes.

Then there is the question as to why said staff members are now ex staff members. Rumors range from they were holding Mr. Kurson and Subeta.org hostage to them stealing subeta.org. The reasons are hardly as dramatic as this. Mr. Kurson terminated the two ex-staff because he felt strongly that they no longer fit in with his plans for Subeta and could not match the growth rate of it. The two ex-staff did not object to or even fight against his reasons, whether they agreed or not. If that was the way that Mr. Kurson felt, then that was the way it was. All that the ex staff members wanted was what was owed to them by Subeta.
What could Subeta possibly owe two ex-staff members? For the duration of their employment, they loaned a considerable sum of money monthly out to help offset the operating costs of running Subeta, always being promised to be reimbursed when profits picked up. Well, within the first year, profits picked up over 50%. Instead of taking the opportunity to not only begin reimbursing themselves, they decided that the money should go into paying the staff better -- to increase their practically non-existant payments to some with a bit more to it, something that wouldn't be as laughable and exploitative as they were, previously and to purchase hardware to help further increase users and, as such, profits. In a campaign to do so that lasted several months of them fighting for the staff, eventually changes started being made. While staff payments are still low for what they should be, the increases and bonuses facilitated by the ex-staff were welcomed by all, even those who opposed the ex-staff. All of this, instead of getting reimbursed. They continued to assist in covering operating costs -- this time also with the promise of stock. So while the two ex-staff did not and do not wish to fight their termination, with the actions of Mr. Kurson who has told them outright that he is not only not going to pay them what monies they have invested into Subeta, but also the monies for the time they worked for the past two weeks and their severance pay and the other contractually obligated payments he is required to pay to them, coupled with his premature accusations of them "stealing" the site, they find themselves custodians of Subeta.org.

All they can do at this point is continue to keep the site alive and secure until a peaceable resolution can be found that will make all parties happy. Thus far, all attempts to come to one have been met with silence and//or demands that are impossible to meet at this time, as they are being held hostage, themselves by the need to have the loans repaid to them and being told in no uncertain terms that they won't be.

So this is Subeta.org. Your accounts and your items here will be kept safe and secure. There can be no guarantees of what will happen to your accounts at subeta.org so if you choose to continue here, we urge you to change your passwords here and elsewhere on the internet as a security measure. You will be updated as often as updates are to be had.

 

#4 2008-07-12 19:50:22

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Re: Aah! What happened to subeta?

I've seen those.

But does anyone know anything beyond that?

I've read some of the post made by subeta members on .ws, but I'm pretty neutral at this point to everything (except my grade in my course).


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#5 2008-07-13 08:17:51

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Re: Aah! What happened to subeta?

Wow... I really really wonder what's happening. I don't believe Keith would have abandoned the site, but I don't know if all the stuff on .org is right. Hmmm...

We'll have to wait and see I suppose

 

#6 2008-07-14 19:34:56

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Re: Aah! What happened to subeta?

Well I'm going to keep using .org specifically because it's NOT run by Keith.  I've heard that he banned users just because they don't speak English.  That's reason enough for me not to support him in this thing.

 

#7 2008-07-15 08:08:05

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Re: Aah! What happened to subeta?

Zerza... if you wanna keep using .org be prepared to lose everything on there. It looks like there will be a lawsuit over the domain. Its currently being run by 2 PEOPLE... and if Keith gets it back, he'll be moving all the stuff done on .ws to .org.

If you wanna use a site, you generally have to put up with the person who made it XD I'm only warning you... I won't force you over there or make you support Keith.

 

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